Comments on: The Secret to Creating a Really Good Bad Guy https://writershelpingwriters.net/2015/03/the-secret-to-creating-a-really-good-bad-guy/ Helping writers become bestselling authors Fri, 28 Mar 2025 22:08:43 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: The Secret to Creating a Really Good Bad Guy – Wordpreneur • How to Make Money Writing https://writershelpingwriters.net/2015/03/the-secret-to-creating-a-really-good-bad-guy/#comment-614306 Fri, 19 Oct 2018 08:07:15 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=12587#comment-614306 […] LINK: https://writershelpingwriters.net/2015/03/the-secret-to-creating-a-really-good-bad-guy/ […]

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By: H Gibson https://writershelpingwriters.net/2015/03/the-secret-to-creating-a-really-good-bad-guy/#comment-337497 Thu, 25 Jun 2015 19:39:32 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=12587#comment-337497 Very good post, thank you.
“Push yourself to create believable characters that are complex and sometimes unpredictable.”
In real life, sometimes the good guys are the bad guys. The Chronicles of Han Storm investigates real life situations with all the intricacies, sacrifices and compromises good people sometimes have to make, becoming the bad people, for a while. No-one is really bad or really good as the lines are blurred by circumstance.

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By: Friday Link Pack 03/20/15 | I make stories. https://writershelpingwriters.net/2015/03/the-secret-to-creating-a-really-good-bad-guy/#comment-267225 Fri, 20 Mar 2015 19:44:56 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=12587#comment-267225 […] The Secret To Creating A Really Good Bad Guy Author, editor, and writing coach C. S. Lakin has some great advice for those of you wanted to push your bad guys beyond the stereotypical traps in which so many villains find themselves. […]

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By: Joe Kovacs https://writershelpingwriters.net/2015/03/the-secret-to-creating-a-really-good-bad-guy/#comment-259953 Wed, 11 Mar 2015 02:26:44 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=12587#comment-259953 The book I read back in high school that made me want to be a writer is Crime and Punishment by Fyodor Dostoevksy. I actually missed the deadline by which I needed to finish reading the book for my AP English test, flunked the test, got berated by my English teacher… and still kept reading until the end despite my damaged pride!

A lot of the psychology that you describe regarding villains in this post, Susanne, plays very well into how Dostoevsky’s protagonist Raskolnikov is so idealistic that he misses his own flaws. He thinks he can take the laws of morality into his own hands and kill an unsuspecting pawnbroker lady. He is both protagonist and antagonist. I have never read a book like it–with the themes of suffering, redemption and idealism–that affected me so profoundly, even though I read it more than 20 years ago. Just thinking about the novel gives me the shivers.

You are so on point in suggesting to writers that they build out the human characteristics of antagonists, give them an understandable if flawed sense of logic and even–gasp–agree with the protagonist at some key moment.

Thanks for this very thoughtful post into how to create really “good” bad guys.

Joe

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By: Monday Must-Reads [03.09.15] https://writershelpingwriters.net/2015/03/the-secret-to-creating-a-really-good-bad-guy/#comment-259584 Mon, 09 Mar 2015 22:48:20 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=12587#comment-259584 WRITERS HELPING WRITE… […]]]> […] The Secret to Creating a Really Good Bad Guy – WRITERS HELPING WRITERS™WRITERS HELPING WRITE… […]

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By: Traci Kenworth https://writershelpingwriters.net/2015/03/the-secret-to-creating-a-really-good-bad-guy/#comment-258948 Sun, 08 Mar 2015 01:15:17 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=12587#comment-258948 Great reminder to make our villains three-dimensional!!

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By: C. S. Lakin https://writershelpingwriters.net/2015/03/the-secret-to-creating-a-really-good-bad-guy/#comment-258573 Fri, 06 Mar 2015 18:36:02 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=12587#comment-258573 In reply to Angela Haddon.

Glad to help!

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By: :Donna Marie https://writershelpingwriters.net/2015/03/the-secret-to-creating-a-really-good-bad-guy/#comment-258519 Fri, 06 Mar 2015 15:07:53 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=12587#comment-258519 What a great post! I just love all the info you ladies put out there for us, and this sounds like an excellent book, for sure 🙂

For me, partly because I’m at the end of rereading the whole series, but also because they naturally come to mind are Voldemort and Dolores Umbridge from the Harry Potter series, and also Gar Face from THE UNDERNEATH. I know there are many more, but these are the ones I thought of and I don’t remember anything redeeming about them! lol

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By: Angela Haddon https://writershelpingwriters.net/2015/03/the-secret-to-creating-a-really-good-bad-guy/#comment-258366 Fri, 06 Mar 2015 05:10:37 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=12587#comment-258366 In reply to C. S. Lakin.

Thanks for your reply, Susanne – that does make sense. I guess I was thinking along the lines of a protagonist like Harry Potter, who has a ‘nemesis’ in the form of Draco Malfoy, as well as a proper ‘villain’ to face down the track (Voldemort). This is the distinction to which I was referring; Malfoy was almost like a warm-up antagonist, and later became a somewhat sympathetic character as he, too, fell victim to Voldemort’s cruelty. In this example, multiple ‘bad guys’ allowed for a much deeper exploration of what it is to be a truly bad person. There probably is no limit to the number of villains you have in a story, but as you pointed out, it would only really work if there was no redundancy/duplication…thanks for helping to clarify my thinking 🙂

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By: C. S. Lakin https://writershelpingwriters.net/2015/03/the-secret-to-creating-a-really-good-bad-guy/#comment-258291 Thu, 05 Mar 2015 23:21:34 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=12587#comment-258291 In reply to Isabelle.

Thanks! I hope these books really help your writing. So much of what I put in these writing craft books comes from what I encounter in the hundreds of manuscripts I critique each year. I hope to save writers from making the kinds of mistakes in their novels that will cause novel failure.

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By: C. S. Lakin https://writershelpingwriters.net/2015/03/the-secret-to-creating-a-really-good-bad-guy/#comment-258288 Thu, 05 Mar 2015 23:20:07 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=12587#comment-258288 In reply to Angela Haddon.

Hi Angela, every component and character in a novel has to be considered in the light of the concept you are playing out, and the actual plot/story. You can have numerous antagonists in a novel, and numerous nemesis characters. The latest Hobbit movie came to mind, with five armies all fighting one another. A lot of nemesis characters there. I’m not clear on what the difference is between a nemesis and a “top-shelf villain. Bad guys come in all shapes and sizes. It may not be useful to have two bad guys that are similar and have the same goals, views, and issues. That would be redundant. But if they each have some goal and attitude that provides different obstacles for your protagonist, then that might be useful.

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By: Angela Haddon https://writershelpingwriters.net/2015/03/the-secret-to-creating-a-really-good-bad-guy/#comment-258264 Thu, 05 Mar 2015 21:25:07 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=12587#comment-258264 Thanks for a great post, Susanne! I was wondering if you have any views on having a single major nemesis character AND a proper top-shelf villain? Do you think it muddies the waters, or (like most things) does it just boil down to how you handle it? Thanks again 🙂

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