Comments on: Avoiding Stereotypes in Fiction: Female Characters https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/06/avoiding-stereotypes-in-fiction-female-characters/ Helping writers become bestselling authors Sat, 31 Dec 2022 10:36:41 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Claudia https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/06/avoiding-stereotypes-in-fiction-female-characters/#comment-758494 Mon, 27 Jun 2022 19:59:24 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=47177#comment-758494 In reply to Lucy V.

That’s so true! When I’m watching or reading a story and a small child says something that sound “too old” for them, I wonder how realistic that dialogue is. There are two 5-years-old in my family, the boy seems to be always in a different conversation (LOL!), but the girl though has an “older” vocabulary, her interests are those of a child, and she doesn’t have the answer to life, the universe, and everything (I’ve asked. Ha, ha!)
Elderly persons clichés? 1. They spend their time watching TV and yelling at it (some fit this cliché, though). 2. They only talk about their ailments and the past. 3. Love and sex are a distant memory for them. 4. They can’t study or learn something new. 5. They can’t deal with: technology, new ideas. 6. They’re either incredibly wise and serene or unbearably bitter and cranky.

There are not many TV shows about elderly people, but one of the best I’ve watched was “Last Tango in Halifax”. I think it successfully departs from almost all the clichés of my list. Beautiful story.

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By: Lucy V https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/06/avoiding-stereotypes-in-fiction-female-characters/#comment-758491 Mon, 27 Jun 2022 16:02:15 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=47177#comment-758491 In reply to Bryan.

The two age groups misrepresented the most in unpublished novels and spec screenplays in my experience are children/teens and people over 75. Children frequently seem ‘too old’ and have vocabularies that don’t ring true. My son had an extended vocab as a child but he was still just a kid. The over 65s are frequently unable to do everyday things like deal with simple technology like operate a mobile phone! Yet the average elderly person will have had a mobile for a good 20 years, plus many love the internet. Hope that helps.

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By: Lucy V https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/06/avoiding-stereotypes-in-fiction-female-characters/#comment-758490 Mon, 27 Jun 2022 15:57:15 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=47177#comment-758490 ]]> In reply to Kate.

Then we agree 🤷‍♀️

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By: Lucy V https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/06/avoiding-stereotypes-in-fiction-female-characters/#comment-758489 Mon, 27 Jun 2022 15:56:16 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=47177#comment-758489 In reply to Jenny.

“Showing how a female lead rises above the constraints is valid” – absolutely, which is why I also give examples like Gloria from MODERN FAMILY in the post, plus I also concede women DO talk about men in the post. The key is not to do the things listed here at the expense of nuanced characterisation. That is how you get stereotypes – it’s a simplification.

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By: Bryan https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/06/avoiding-stereotypes-in-fiction-female-characters/#comment-758442 Sat, 25 Jun 2022 01:53:01 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=47177#comment-758442 Does anyone have ideas for avoiding age-based stereotypes? Those usually show up when I’m writing (I’m a Hobby Writer) and some other article would be helpful.

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By: Mari https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/06/avoiding-stereotypes-in-fiction-female-characters/#comment-758438 Fri, 24 Jun 2022 22:40:56 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=47177#comment-758438 In reply to Jenny.

It’s true, women talk about the men in their lives; the thing is we don’t talk just about men and that’s the stereotype to avoid. Even if it’s a romance or a romantic comedy and the female characters only talk about the male characters, it’s a stereotype. The story has to pass the Bechdel test (It asks whether a work features at least two women who talk to each other about something other than a man). Of course, a story may pass the test and still contain sexist content.

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By: Jenny https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/06/avoiding-stereotypes-in-fiction-female-characters/#comment-758435 Fri, 24 Jun 2022 08:20:01 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=47177#comment-758435 Yeah, I agree on your rule ten. Otherwise, I don’t. My female protagonist is dangerous and flawed; however, she is beautiful, skin a shade of brown, caramel eyes. It’s fine to have attractive characters. In reality, readers see them how they choose. Showing how a female lead rises above the constraints is valid. If we don’t write about them, then how will anyone know they exist? And, you are technically correct that women don’t check themselves in a mirror every minute…Let’s be honest. Bars, clubs, major events—some women are in the mirrors, checking their look. Not always, but conversations do revolve around the men in their lives. It’s not an entirely inaccurate depiction, no matter the author.

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By: Kate https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/06/avoiding-stereotypes-in-fiction-female-characters/#comment-758407 Wed, 22 Jun 2022 00:36:49 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=47177#comment-758407 I actually disagree with saying you can’t get much out of the “wearing white jeans and a black t shirt” description. Immediately, my mind jumps to a rather upscale women who is likely single, or at the very least doesn’t have and isn’t around kids. The fact that she’s wearing white jeans shows that she’s confident enough to believe they will go the whole day without getting dirty, which also means she likely wouldn’t work in some kind of manual labor job – retail, food service, lawn work, construction, painting, etc. Yet the black t shirt shows that she likes being casual and has a somewhat more laid back style, or perhaps doesn’t want to come across as upscale/pretentious.

Clothing, if well used, can be a great way to get across personality types. If I described a guy as “wearing his beat up jeans, steel toed boots, and a flannel with a rip at the elbow and loose threads where the top button used to be,” that would give you an idea of his personality before the character says a word. The same is true of women in writing.

All that said, I absolutely do agree that if a writer is depending on *just* the clothes, that’s weak sauce and the writer needs to improve their craft.

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By: Lucy V https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/06/avoiding-stereotypes-in-fiction-female-characters/#comment-758184 Thu, 09 Jun 2022 12:36:00 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=47177#comment-758184 In reply to Claudia.

That’s a great idea. I would love to see a list on disability stereotypes. I have been lucky enough to have a few disabled Bang2writers share their knowledge on my site but have not had someone with Down’s Syndrome do so yet.

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By: Claudia https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/06/avoiding-stereotypes-in-fiction-female-characters/#comment-758179 Thu, 09 Jun 2022 04:07:22 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=47177#comment-758179 A series of posts on avoiding stereotypes in fiction are a wonderful idea. Does the groups of people this series is about include people with Down Syndrome?

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By: Lucy V https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/06/avoiding-stereotypes-in-fiction-female-characters/#comment-758173 Wed, 08 Jun 2022 19:12:11 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=47177#comment-758173 In reply to Martin White.

You’re very welcome. Best of luck with your projects! 😀

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By: Martin White https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/06/avoiding-stereotypes-in-fiction-female-characters/#comment-758164 Tue, 07 Jun 2022 21:26:59 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=47177#comment-758164 I’ve been writing stories for years, and always wonder if I’m writing the women in them well. I will definetly keep this list handy when I’m editing/2nd drafting my work. Thanks so much for this tip list!

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