Comments on: Point of View: Is Deeper Always Better? https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/09/point-of-view-is-deeper-always-better/ Helping writers become bestselling authors Mon, 26 Sep 2022 00:05:10 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: acflory https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/09/point-of-view-is-deeper-always-better/#comment-760559 Mon, 26 Sep 2022 00:05:10 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=48306#comment-760559 Excellent analysis of POV and its many guises. I personally like like deep 3rd lightened with a bit of omniscient when some inanimate ‘thing’ is being described – like a chair. Sure, the character will react to that chair, but is that reaction actually important? If they’re just going to sit, a minimalist description is all that’s required. I also like using multiple POV so that the Reader can see more than what’s directly in front of the MC’s nose. Showing the MC from another character’s POV can also be very useful.
Ultimately though, which POV we use, or how many, depends entirely on the story. What works best /for the Reader/? That question guides all my choices.

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By: Raymond Walker https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/09/point-of-view-is-deeper-always-better/#comment-760558 Sun, 25 Sep 2022 23:12:10 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=48306#comment-760558 Mainly good sense, well told in a good article.

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By: Linda Bethea https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/09/point-of-view-is-deeper-always-better/#comment-760553 Sat, 24 Sep 2022 18:01:56 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=48306#comment-760553 Good points. So often we donโ€™t really know whatโ€™s going on.

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By: Jami Gold https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/09/point-of-view-is-deeper-always-better/#comment-760391 Fri, 16 Sep 2022 21:56:13 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=48306#comment-760391 In reply to Meg.

Hi Meg,

So glad this resonated with you! And yes, I’m a big believer in figuring out what works for us, our stories, and our goals for both of those. ๐Ÿ™‚ Thanks for stopping by!

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By: Jami Gold https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/09/point-of-view-is-deeper-always-better/#comment-760390 Fri, 16 Sep 2022 21:51:57 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=48306#comment-760390 In reply to Sieran Yung.

Yes, between burnout and special projects, I’ve been quieter than usual. Plus, I was in a major 3-car accident this past spring that I’m still trying to recover from, so that certainly didn’t help, but I’m getting there! ๐Ÿ™‚

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By: Jami Gold https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/09/point-of-view-is-deeper-always-better/#comment-760389 Fri, 16 Sep 2022 21:48:54 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=48306#comment-760389 In reply to BECCA PUGLISI.

Great example, Becca! I think most people have some “trauma triggers” and would feel better about reading stories with those elements if we knew the storytelling wouldn’t force us too close to the trauma. Thanks for sharing!

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By: Jami Gold https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/09/point-of-view-is-deeper-always-better/#comment-760388 Fri, 16 Sep 2022 21:43:59 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=48306#comment-760388 In reply to Ruchama B.

Hi Ruchama,

Interesting! I’ve heard some of the Harry Potter books described similarly. I think that style of omniscient is sometimes called Contemporary Omniscient or Subjective Omniscient (in that it gives a somewhat subjective–rather than objective–experience when it comes to one specific character).

I think that because 3rd-person POV is a spectrum, our choices can be much broader than what we hear about, just because the spectrum doesn’t fit into the neat little boxes that advice articles tend to focus on. (No fault of the articles(!), as advice is easier to understand if we ignore the edge cases that can add confusion and complications.)

This is why I wanted to mention in the last section about focusing on the reader experience. If the POV we choose gives readers the experience we want them to have, AND we’re consistent with how we use POV (so as to not confuse or take readers out of the story), then we don’t have to worry about how we’d “label” our POV. If it works, it works. ๐Ÿ™‚ Thanks for sharing!

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By: Sieran Yung https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/09/point-of-view-is-deeper-always-better/#comment-760362 Thu, 15 Sep 2022 05:40:54 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=48306#comment-760362 In reply to Jami Gold.

Ooh I like “close POV”. It feels intimate without being too overwhelming, lol. Thanks for the book rec too! ๐Ÿ˜€ Yeah I think I’m winging it too much and would benefit from studying the POVs more intentionally.

P.S. Happy to hear from you again! ๐Ÿ™‚ Long time no talk!

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By: BECCA PUGLISI https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/09/point-of-view-is-deeper-always-better/#comment-760352 Wed, 14 Sep 2022 15:08:33 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=48306#comment-760352 I love this post, Jami, because there absolutely are times when the reader doesn’t want to be pulled in super close to what’s going on. This reminds me of the movie Sleepers, which deals heavily with childhood abuse. When I saw it, I left the theater feeling emotionally drained, and I realized it was because I was brought in too close to the events. Deep POV Isn’t always the best choice, and it’s good for us to know where to draw those lines.

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By: Ruchama B https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/09/point-of-view-is-deeper-always-better/#comment-760348 Wed, 14 Sep 2022 04:49:46 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=48306#comment-760348 Reading over the original posts and replies, I am reminded of what I learned years ago (l960’s) as a Literature major. I recall that Henry James used a point of view technique described as (if I recall correctly) “central consciousness. That meant that the author and reader had access to the interior thoughts of only one character, and only when called for. The remainder of the narrative was omniscient third person. If my memory is faulty, I welcome correction by anyone whose memory is better or whose education is more recent.

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By: Jami Gold https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/09/point-of-view-is-deeper-always-better/#comment-760340 Tue, 13 Sep 2022 20:04:43 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=48306#comment-760340 In reply to Sieran Lane.

Hi Sieran,

Yes! There is a spectrum between omniscient and deep POV for 3rd-person.

It’s often called “close” or “limited” POV, as it tends to follow a certain character “closely” and/or “limit” the perspective of the story to a specific character(s)–in contrast to most omniscient. However, unlike with deep POV, the lines of narrative, description, etc. can be in an author’s voice, so more objective information can be shared. Filtering words, emotion words, thought tags, etc. are also allowed.

There’s a book called “The Power of Point of View” by Alicia Rasley that I read years ago that really helped me understand the whole spectrum idea, broadening my idea of our POV options. ๐Ÿ™‚ (Even better? The majority of the book is not about deep POV.) I think she has it available for free on her website: http://www.aliciarasley.com/index.php/the-power-of-point-of-view-get-your-free-digital-copy-here-its-a-gift-from-alicia-rasley/

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By: Sieran Lane https://writershelpingwriters.net/2022/09/point-of-view-is-deeper-always-better/#comment-760338 Tue, 13 Sep 2022 18:49:50 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=48306#comment-760338 Hey Jami,

Wow your post came in just in time! I too have felt the pressure to always use deep POV, even when I tried to rebel against it. For the story I just started writing, I deliberately made my POV a little shallower than what I usually do. It’s not omniscient, as there are some things we don’t know, and some characters’ minds we don’t have access to. But it’s not deep POV, either. It’s more like something in between, maybe midway POV?

I do want to do a bit of ominous future telling, and write summaries to skip over boring details that the reader doesn’t need to know. It’s also helpful for me to tell the reader in advance what a character’s name is before they mention it. That way, it’s easier for me to refer to the different characters, as I often have groups of characters. It can get confusing fast if I don’t use names to nail down which person is saying what in this group dialogue! (Since it’s not always realistic for every character in the scene to mention their name or have someone else call them by their name.)

Sometimes I want to share knowledge that a character is too oblivious to see. So being stuck in their deep POV would really hurt the narrative! I love your examples with the villains and unreliable narrators, too. I hadn’t thought of the point about distancing readers from a traumatic experience! I’ll have to pay more attention to that. Thanks for another insightful post that challenges popular advice. ๐Ÿ™‚

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