Comments on: Deepening Our Story: Theme It Like You Mean It https://writershelpingwriters.net/2018/03/deepening-our-story-theme-it-like-you-mean-it/ Helping writers become bestselling authors Sun, 10 Sep 2023 07:59:00 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.7.2 By: Are Sneaky Plot Holes Lurking in Your Story? | Jami Gold, Paranormal Author https://writershelpingwriters.net/2018/03/deepening-our-story-theme-it-like-you-mean-it/#comment-594600 Tue, 12 Jun 2018 15:53:16 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=32763#comment-594600 […] how to find and fix unintended themes […]

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By: Jami Gold https://writershelpingwriters.net/2018/03/deepening-our-story-theme-it-like-you-mean-it/#comment-586877 Tue, 17 Apr 2018 23:50:18 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=32763#comment-586877 In reply to Vivienne Sang.

Hi Vivienne,

That’s a valid question, and the answer is that our stories contain messages whether we intend them or not.

For example, if our characters learn about themselves (such as their false beliefs, fears, or values) or about the world, readers learn right along with them. That lesson is a theme.

In other words, themes usually aren’t–and shouldn’t be–as spoonfed as “the moral of the story is…” Instead, they exist only in the subtext, as the storytelling itself makes readers subconsciously think about things like: what to value, what to believe, what to hope for, what to aim for, what’s worth fighting for, etc.

The goal here is: As our story will include messages no matter what, we may as well make sure they’re the messages we want. 🙂 Thanks for stopping by!

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By: Vivienne Sang https://writershelpingwriters.net/2018/03/deepening-our-story-theme-it-like-you-mean-it/#comment-586861 Tue, 17 Apr 2018 17:57:01 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=32763#comment-586861 Why is there such an emphasis themes nowadays? The idea of a theme seems to me rather like ‘And the moral of the story is…’ Why can’t we just tell a good tale with no moralising?

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By: Vivienne Sang https://writershelpingwriters.net/2018/03/deepening-our-story-theme-it-like-you-mean-it/#comment-586860 Tue, 17 Apr 2018 17:53:53 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=32763#comment-586860 I always have trouble with the idea of theme. It seems to me that nowadays as writers we must always have a ‘message’ to send to our readers, perhaps how friendship can help overcome problems, or finding strength from within. What’s wrong with just telling a good story? These ‘themes’ people are always going on about seem to be a bit like ‘the moral of the story’ and that every tale must teach something.

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By: Jami Gold https://writershelpingwriters.net/2018/03/deepening-our-story-theme-it-like-you-mean-it/#comment-584577 Wed, 28 Mar 2018 22:52:26 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=32763#comment-584577 In reply to Elias.

Hope it helps, Elias! 🙂

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By: Elias https://writershelpingwriters.net/2018/03/deepening-our-story-theme-it-like-you-mean-it/#comment-584575 Wed, 28 Mar 2018 20:01:23 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=32763#comment-584575 Good stuff. Thanks for sharing.

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By: ANGELA ACKERMAN https://writershelpingwriters.net/2018/03/deepening-our-story-theme-it-like-you-mean-it/#comment-583905 Tue, 20 Mar 2018 17:06:45 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=32763#comment-583905 In reply to Jami Gold.

Awesome! You rock, Jami! I love how you are always willing to go into more detail on an aspect of a post based on conversations in the comment section–thank you!

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By: Jami Gold https://writershelpingwriters.net/2018/03/deepening-our-story-theme-it-like-you-mean-it/#comment-583903 Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:38:51 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=32763#comment-583903 In reply to Jami Gold.

For Marina (or anyone else interested),

I wrote a follow-up post about creating positive themes from bittersweet endings: https://jamigold.com/2018/03/creating-a-positive-theme-with-bittersweet-endings/

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By: How to Create Positive Themes Despite Bittersweet Endings | Jami Gold, Paranormal Author https://writershelpingwriters.net/2018/03/deepening-our-story-theme-it-like-you-mean-it/#comment-583900 Tue, 20 Mar 2018 16:08:16 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=32763#comment-583900 […] week, my quarterly Resident Writing Coach post at Writers Helping Writers brought up the potential for allowing unintended themes to appear in our story. Every cause-and-effect aspect of our story can create the possibility of our characters […]

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By: Writing Links 3/19/18 – Where Genres Collide https://writershelpingwriters.net/2018/03/deepening-our-story-theme-it-like-you-mean-it/#comment-583787 Mon, 19 Mar 2018 11:02:37 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=32763#comment-583787 […] https://writershelpingwriters.net/2018/03/deepening-our-story-theme-it-like-you-mean-it/ “Our story’s themes—our messages to readers of what to value or believe—can add depth and meaning to our writing, but to avoid being too on-the-nose, our themes are usually developed in the story’s subtext. Unfortunately, working in subtext means we can accidentally create unintentionalthemes—sometimes the opposite of what we intend.” Great things to consider. […]

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By: Jami Gold https://writershelpingwriters.net/2018/03/deepening-our-story-theme-it-like-you-mean-it/#comment-583615 Sat, 17 Mar 2018 18:30:28 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=32763#comment-583615 In reply to Marina Costa.

Hi Marina,

I think the idea that we can’t control everything is realistic. That said, if you don’t want your theme to feel like “nothing we do matters” (which IS a valid theme as well–it just might not be what you want if you like a happy-ish ending), you might be able to expand what is considered “punishment”.

For example, does the villain get kicked out of that town and have to set up shop somewhere else? Are they reduced in power because they need all new minions? Is there at least a message of “we’re keeping an eye on you, and if you cross this line, we’ll get rid of you for good”?

Any one of those (or similar) outcomes could create a sense that there were consequences for the villain’s actions. That would help make the story events feel like they matter, theme-wise.

Even in the paranormal romance I write, in half my novels, the villain isn’t explicitly killed and might come back to cause more trouble in future books. Part of how we deal with that problem is by setting up the Story Problem in Act One to be something that will be resolved by the end.

In other words, if the Story Problem we establish by the 25% mark isn’t that the villain is destroyed but that X injustice is stopped, we can make that happen by the resolution. That will be a happy ending because the Story Goal isn’t to destroy the villain but to solve X problem. Does that make sense?

(This sounds like a good idea for a blog post, so I’m happy to explain more. LOL! And thanks for the question and idea! 🙂 )

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By: Marina Costa https://writershelpingwriters.net/2018/03/deepening-our-story-theme-it-like-you-mean-it/#comment-583594 Sat, 17 Mar 2018 12:51:16 +0000 https://writershelpingwriters.net/?p=32763#comment-583594 I have another problem, in a historical fiction: some villains can’t be really punished, because they are historical figures (who had done enough bad things, both documented and undocumented, but they were too powerful, think Western town lords, and they died in their beds, of old age, untroubled by anyone for what they have done). Of course, their fictional sidekicks got their comeuppance… Hopefully it doesn’;t give the wrong message/ theme… It’s just historically true, that you can fight and overcome some villains, others can’t be overcome…

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